Damn it !!!!!

[Johnny]

Ok... so I pulled the engine, trans, and t-case outta Lisa's EB and stuck it in my 68.... Then I pulled the wiring harness out of her's and put it in the 68.... But, since I'm not running lights, heater, windshield wipers, ect... I done away with most of the harness..... but I didn't just start cutting wires... I traced them out and made sure of what they were before I done away with them...

Well.... Now when I turn the key on, I have my guage lights, and the amp meter works.... turn the key further and it will crank, but wont start..... Not getting fire... doesn't have power to the coil... I've got the test light out and I have power to the solenoid... both the power side, and the second prong over.... and I have power on the hot post of the alt....

Now what... give me something to check guys... because I've studied it so long that it's all starting to look the same...


Guess I otta throw out some pictures too

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/714219/fullsize/ebs-001.jpg

And just look at those plush accommodations... jealous aren't you ... :D

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/714220/fullsize/ebs-002.jpg

[buffs 78 ford]

Try just putting power to the red wire on the control unit it should power the whole system IRC the red in the run and the white is either to retard on crank or help power on crank.

[Johnny]

Red wire... the only red wire I have seen it to trigger the starter... I'll have to go look again....

I did try an different ignition module and that didn't work.... so I said screw it and ran a jumper wire fom the battery to the hot side of the coil and it fired right up... hmmm... Maybe I'll try another solenoid to see if that helps any....

[buffs 78 ford]

duraspark control module right. The red and white one on the two wire side do you have power when its cranking

[Johnny]

Yeah that's right... the wire from the ignition prong on the solenoid plugs into one of those to wires and the other runs to the hot side of the coil.... so no... it's not hot... but I tried a different solenoid and got the same thing...

[Johnny]

Ok... here goes nothing...

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/714261/fullsize/68-001.jpg


1... ignition wire from key switch... cold with key off, hot with key on..

2... wire from ignition prong to ignition module, hot with key on..

3... wire from ignition module to hot post on the coil... supposed to be hot with key on..

4... Dizzy wires... nothing wrong with them..

5... from key / ignition switch to engage starter... only hot when to key is turned all the way to the left..

6... power wire to power the key / ignition switch... hot all the time

[Johnny]

Stupid question.... What would it hurt if I just ran a wire from the hot side of the battery, through a toggle switch and to the coil.... just do away with the two wire plug and that part of the ignition module all together....

[buffs 78 ford]

Actually I tried that it did not last. I would just tap into one off the key switch inside. Its will run without the white wire. The white wire I would put withe the engagement wire for the solinoid and find a hot wire at the key switch. Good luck

[Johnny]

What didn't last about it??

[redmt79]

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/189101/fullsize/duraspark.jpg

[Johnny]

Thanks Jon... I'll reads that right now....

I ran a wire from the ignition switch to the coil.... so it will have power when the key is on... and she fired right up.... ran that little bit of gas I had in the jug up quick... so I'm outta gas and done for the night.... I heard it run, and I think it'll be alright.....

[redmt79]

Take wire #1 off the solenoid and splice into wire #3 at the module plug.

Essentially what you already did, but the 2nd post on the solenoid should not have a hot wire (#1) connected to it.

[buffs 78 ford]

I was going to send the same schematics when I got home but I see ya got it. I kept hitting the toggle switch on mine and shutting it down thats why it did not last got pi$#$ at it and fixed it with the switch

[Johnny]

Take wire #1 off the solenoid and splice into wire #3 at the module plug.

Essentially what you already did, but the 2nd post on the solenoid should not have a hot wire (#1) connected to it.

Ok... so bypassing that part of the ignition module wont hurt anything...

So the hot wire IS suppose to go on the first plug... I had it there but changed it while I was trying to figure it out....

[Johnny]

I kept hitting the toggle switch on mine and shutting it down thats why it did not last got pi$#$ at it and fixed it with the switch

Oh ok... I thought you ment it screwed something up....

[redmt79]

There should be no key-on hot connected to the solenoid! Only the starting hot from the ignition key to energize the starter (first terminal), and the cranking hot from the second terminal to the white wire on the module. The second terminal on the solenoid is energized during cranking only, and is normally used to bypass the resistor wire to the coil during cranking.

I am assuming you are running a 12V coil?

[Johnny]

Yep...

[Johnny]

There should be no key-on hot connected to the solenoid! Only the starting hot from the ignition key to energize the starter (first terminal), and the cranking hot from the second terminal to the white wire on the module. The second terminal on the solenoid is energized during cranking only, and is normally used to bypass the resistor wire to the coil during cranking.

Well there's where I screwed up... I knew that shit... I've just been overthinking it I reckon...

[redmt79]

Okay, you will be fine then. You can use the new wire that you just ran from the switch, but make sure you disconnect wire #1 (brown) from the solenoid. You can use it for something else that needs a key on hot if you want.

[redmt79]

Well there's where I screwed up... I knew that shit... I've just been overthinking it I reckon...

I've built quite a few ignition harnesses for derby cars, and it seems like I need to go back to the diagram every time....:dummy That's why I keep it handy. :D

[Johnny]

Well this is the first harness I've can't really say built, but more like dissected... and I guess just freaked thinking I had cut something that didn't need to be.... Now.. I just hope it still charges the battery..

[redmt79]

A long time ago I burned up a starter on one of my cars. I had hooked up the ignition wrong and the starter would not quit cranking after I let go of the button. Problem is I had open-stack exhaust and did not hear it continue to crank. So revving the snot out of the motor also meant revving the internals out of the starter. >(_

[Johnny]

Yep that'll chew one up in a hurry....

Something else I think is messing me up is I believe the timing is a little off on this engine... I noticed when it was in Lisa's EB that it didn't start like it should have.... and I think that is screwing with me, making me think that it's the wiring...... But, I don't want to mess with it just yet... don't want to add another variable to my already confusing dilema

[redmt79]

Isn't it under warranty? Take it back and make him fix it. >B<

[Johnny]

And now the sum bitch isn't getting fire again.... WTF? got power to the coil, but the coil is not firing.... even tried another coil.... nothing.... I'm about to give up and burn the damn thing....

[redmt79]

Sounds like the module might not be getting power, or you have a faulty component.

[Johnny]

I don't know.... I'm heading back out there right now to mess with it some more..... If I can't figure it out before long, I've got the wire harness out of my ol Bronk I'll throw in it...

[buffs 78 ford]

I see this coming to a tech day

[redmt79]

Buy me a few beers and a plane ticket and I will be there. <*&

[Johnny]

OK.... I had to run the power from the key switch to the second prong on the solenoid.... then a jumper to the white wire that feeds the ignition module, and the red wire goes to the coil..... which should have worked.... but I also ran a power wire from the battery to a toggle switch in the dash that powers a wire that runs to the hot side of the coil..... now it fires right up every time....

[Johnny]

Basicly the exact same damn way I had it wired in this picture, with the exception of the power wire from the battery to the toggle switch...

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/714261/fullsize/68-001.jpg

[redmt79]

Why didn't you leave the white wire hooked to the second prong on the solenoid? You do not need a keyed power hooked to that prong, as the prong should be hot while cranking...

Edit: Since you ran a hot wire from the toggle switch to the coil you should be fine, but I would unhook the brown wire (#1) from the second post on the solenoid.

[Johnny]

Because that is the ignition prong on the solenoid... it isn't hot... and it wont run without that...

[Johnny]

The white wire IS hooked to the second prong on the solenoid... matter of fact it's the yellow wire numbered 2

[Johnny]

I would unhook the brown wire (#1) from the second post on the solenoid.

If I do, it wont run.... tried that per your advice a few days ago...

[redmt79]

The white wire IS hooked to the second prong on the solenoid

Gotchya, the way your post read it sounded like you had disconnected it.

[Johnny]

Honey, I've had every one of those wires hooked and unhooked so many damn times here lately... It's hard to guess what I'm gonna say about them... >M<:

[redmt79]

If I do, it wont run.... tried that per your advice a few days ago...

Before or after you installed the toggle switch to the coil? If it was before you installed the toggle switch, you needed to connect the brown wire to the coil.

If it was after you installed the toggle switch, then there is something wrong elsewhere in the wiring as that wire should not be hooked up to the soleniod.

[Johnny]

Before or after you installed the toggle switch to the coil? .

Both... Believe me, I've tried damn near every way you can think of... and for some reason this is the only way I can get it to actually start, and run...

[Blue79]

Dang thing is getting power to coil yet no spark from the coil wire, yeah two different coils.

[buffs 78 ford]

Buy you a DUI distributer 1 wire set up
http://www.performancedistributors.com/forddui.htm
Ha Ha to easy of a fix

[Johnny]

Thought about that, but I'm not throwing any money into this thing... It's just a woods beater that I'm gonna run until I get my other Bronco going...

[buffs 78 ford]

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